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Chi Sau: A Comparison of 4 Lineages

Chi Sau: A Comparison of 4 Lineages

With thousands if not millions of Wing Chun practitioners around the world, it is impossible that every single person fights the same way or uses the same methods to study Chi Sau.  Which lead us to wonder, how do other styles of Wing Chun train Chi Sau?

The goal of this article is to briefly investigate how a handful of lineages of Chi Sau. Clearly there are MUCH more out there, we happened to pick four.

Lee Bing Choi

The first lineage we decided to investigate is Lee Bing Choi. This method of fighting originated from Mainland China which means it is quite different from what many would consider “mainstream Ip Man Wing Chun.”   While  many WC lineages would rather go up the middle, destroying their structure and attack the centerline, this lineage prefers to displace or deflect the incoming force.

sifu tyler reaFor lack of a better word, it appears they are “sucking” the opponent in the wrong direction, to the outer edge of the Lee Bing Choi practitioners gate.   Once outside their gate it gives them the opportunity to attack and take advantage of the opponent’s centerline.

If you were to watch this Chi Sau’ing method, many would relate it to Tai Chi push hands, but with Wing Chun shapes and philosophy.  The main difference between push hands and this type of sensitivity training is that a Tai Chi fighter would be willing to move their hands and body in positions a WC person would not be comfortable with. For instance, similar to when you practice Sil Lim Tao, the first section when you do 3 Tan Saus and the Wu Sau hand ALMOST touches your body.  The same minimum distance, of approximately a  fist and a half distance is always maintained in this type of Chi Sau.

The Lee Bing Choi lineage Chi Sau is interesting to take a look at. It is somewhat different than what the average Wing Chun practitioner is used to.   It reminds us that there are lots of alternative ways of thinking and training, yet we all practice the same style of martial arts.

Leung Ting

The next stop on our journey is Leung Ting Lineage of Wing Chun (his trademark name is WingTsun). Leung Ting, the founder of this method, was a student of the late Grandmaster Ip Man. In this style of Chi Sau the hands roll in the more typical “poon sau” or rolling positions.  The interesting thing about this method is that their hands appear to be relaxed, yet they apply forward pressure while Chi Sau’ing.

Not every single method of Chi Sau is the same, many styles place a much bigger emphasis on “feeling.”  We are not suggesting this style doesn’t “feel” for incoming attacks, however they appear to stress forward intent during Chi Sau. Almost as if they prefer a much higher friction environment, allowing them to focus more on clean technique for a live combat situation.

Leung Ting Chi SauThe system appears to be not as willing to step, i.e take a big step to the left or right,  as other Wing Chun styles. Rather than taking a large step out of the way, they appear to shift or take a smaller step,taking advantage of smaller angles, followed by collapsing their opponents structure by drilling in with their arms and hips.

It is fascinating to see how the Leung Ting Lineage manipulates the space in front of them. Allowing them to take advantage of fast moving environment, drill into their opponents bridge, and destroy their center.

Ip Ching

Ip Ching Chi Sau is different from the two styles above.   If you are unfamiliar with Ip Ching, he is one Ip Man’s sons.  His method of Chi Sau is described as “light, circular and very explosive.”   The softness is NOT an empty arm  that moves slowly. Rather this style appears to be very focused on being  relaxed, very present, and mindful of what is to come.

ip qing chi sauThe advantage of remaining “relaxed’ is that you can feel attacks or tension in your opponent’s arm well before they take place. This hypersensitivity is often really hard to deal with, before you make any kind of movement you may have already been hit a few times.

They seem to be willing to “roll” for a while, patiently waiting for an opening to take advantage of.  Almost as if they want to feel you out for a bit, find where all your weaknesses are, then disable your structure.

If you experienced Chi Sau’ing with someone who has studied this method, you will know that it can be very frustrating.  From my experience it goes something like this: you touch arms with him or her,  followed by thinking they are not present and easy to hit, but you suddenly lose the match.

William Cheung

Another student of Ip Man is William Cheung, who formed the “Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu Association”. Although he trained with the late Grandmaster, from what we understand he also studied earlier versions of the style in Mainland China (including Hung Fa Yee).  Based on his research, his method has a somewhat different point of view.

The hands are not as relaxed, we do not mean tense or rigid , but rather it has a very defined shape.  Unlike most lineages, The wrist and fingers, even during Bong Sau,  are kept completely straight.  Since the wrist is fully extended at all times, it minimizes the risk of wrist locks.

The elevation of your hands is kept at a higher elevation than many Wing Chun methods.  For example, when they are in the poon sau position, about to start Chi Sau, their hands are almost parallel with their head, allowing them to more comfortably stop attacks towards their face.

They are also more willing to step away from incoming force. Do not misinterpret this aswilliam cheung chi sao backing up, but rather moving around the force so they can re-enter at a 45 degree angle or re-position themselves.   This allows them to take advantage of the blind side of their opponent and control their body.

By taking the outside, it limits the counter attacks from your training partner.  In order for them to regain control of the center, they would have to re-position their body. Making it very hard for the opponent to defend themselves.


The purpose of this article is not to take sides, rather to briefly investigate a handful of different Wing Chun methods of fighting.  If you feel we have misrepresented any Wing Chun lineages, please feel free to comment below.

WC is considered a very individual style, the only thing your Sifu can do is guide you in the right direction.  It is impossible for them to make a carbon copy of themselves and implant the information into you.

We believe that Sifu Sergio put it best, “all the lineages have a piece of the puzzle and it is up to you to put it together.”    It is almost as if you have to find your true Wing Chun self and use what works best for you, your experiences, and your body type.

Do you know of any Wing Chun lineages to add to the discussion? If so, what makes them different or unique?


  1. Download this Sifu's Videos on Everything Wing Chun Instant Access Sifu Tyler Rea interview & his Chi Sao videos from the Wing Chun University –>
  2. The DVD, Ip Man Wing Tsun Chi Sao – Section 1, by Sifu Tanner & Graziano
  3. A Sifu of Ip Ching/Chun (wishes to remain un-named). Get Ip Ching Lineage DVDS here.
  4. A William Cheung Sifu (wishes to remain un-named) & this YouTube video. Get William Cheung DVDs here.

13 thoughts on “Chi Sau: A Comparison of 4 Lineages

  1. Great article Scott. Thanks for putting this together. My schools is in the Ip Ching’s lineage but it has some influence from Leung Ting a couple of generations back. This was a fascinating read as I could clearly see both sets of influences as you described them. Long story short, it appears that we have Leung Ting’s feet and Ip Ching’s hands.

    Keep up the good work!

  2. Interesting article. Just curious where you get the story of William Cheung learning mainland China wing chun in addition to what he learned from Ip Man, specifically Hung Fa Yi? Being a HFY practitioner, I have never heard this except in speculation. And GM Cheung himself had denied this and only claims Ip Man as the source of all his wing chun.

    1. You might have to be more specific on the lineage you are asking about. Ip Ching, William Cheung, and Leung Ting are all from Ip Man. “Ving Tsun” is not a lineage. I assume you are talking about one of the more mainstream lineages like Moy Yat or Wong Shung Leung. Ip Ching was the closest lineage reviewed to these. The four were picked more for variety than anything else.

      1. Yes Sr..
        Ip Ching is not known like a good student of his Father Yip Man(averybody can check all interview of others Yip Man Students) but only he started when father was very famous in that time, because Yip Ching was not so interested about ving tsun..

        William cheung started ving tsun under Tui Shon Ting and not Yip Man, after he declair that Yip Man lived with him in his house for 4 years, but the forms of William Cheung are not similar like Yip Man Forms (everybody can check about what i wrote here now and this is Yip Man lineage )

        About leung ting: All the students of Yip Man knows that leung ting was a student of Cham Bak ( his uncle ) and Cham bak was a former student of Leung Sheung, and Leung Sheung was a former student of Yip Man. there are a lot of photos who Leung ting changed for declair he was student of Yip Man, and you can see

        I have respect for those Masters but i think is better (if we want compare Yip Man Ving Tsun with other lineage) talk about wong shun leung, wong long, lok yiu, moy yat, leung sheung, kan wah chit, Jiu wan etc.. for sure not leung ting, yip ching, william cheung. if we change the history people cannot understand why william cheung do the siu nim tau so different from Yip Man or the same idea like for leung ting. Thanx.

        1. The comments are not quite accurate as William Cheung is a direct student of Ip Man and was tutored by wong sheung leung in the early days until he lived with Ip Man and escorted him through the “dens”. So many people have their stories quite wrong but there are plenty of videos and articles where Wong Sheung Leung talks about fighting along side Ah Hing in tournaments with IP Mans school students and how Ah Hing (William Cheung or Cheung Chuk Hing) hense Ah Hing was the best fighter winning all the tournaments and later bringing Bruce Lee to study at the school under Wong Sheung Leung and William Cheungs tutelage… William Cheung is a direct student of IP Man from roughly 1952 – 1959 when he moved to Australia off to the university.

        2. Fact: Lineage does not guarantee your skills.

          Fact: Stories concerning people who died long ago can not be verified.

          Opinion: Wing Chun has a history of being modified and personalized by all ‘grandmasters’ of the past, the present and will also be modified in the future because It should; This is called evolution and is only natural.

  3. I love the original article as it is very accurate as far as i can tell. You mention that these are different lineages and how that applies the focus of the exercise for training and fighting which is perfectly correct. While one lineage may focus more on forward intent the Cheung lineage also has the five fold focus using the opponents energy, taking their balance, forward intent, higher hand positions and larger steps fighting on the blind side which is perfectly correct as i have been a student since 1983 under a Moy Yat Sifu then met GM William Cheung in 1985 and been with his lineage on and off since… Great Article sir…

  4. Why are some here not looking at the article correctly. It’s differences being described in applications of chi sau from different lineages. The argument,if there was one, is about how different it’s used. Maybe for the closed minded(poor chi), it’s to much to get past a brief history of each, then condeming them. Like me, receptive and opened minded, I see the nicely described ways of chi sau. I like the article and respect your opinion, but please stay on topic. Use your wing chun mind and see the uses.

  5. Well, Sifu Claudio…
    One of the first times I see someone is trying to actually tell the truth. Nice to meet you.
    You could have added Wang Kiu as well. We will bring some more and more in the near future. See our facebook and soon international Wing Chun website about Ip Man, Wang Kiu, WSL, Lok Yiu, Leung Sheung, Tsui Sheung Tin…

  6. Good article, although generalisation about any of the methodologies mentioned in any specific lineage is probably too narrow a perspective. I’ve found a mix of all of them in each of the lineages as it is really a reflection of the individual. Students really need to experience all of them to see what suits them individually and have a response to each of the others. The history discussion is as always, is interesting but ultimately a bit pointless. It the usual old skill by association argument and wastes good training time. Bill

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